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OMAP 3430 in Satio or Omnia is something i wouldn't get crazy of. its graphics capabilities except the SGX535 in iphone are pretty underpowered especially with competitors like tegra, hummingbird which is symbian capable and snapdragon (the 8250 and the dual core) those phones can render 3D-heavy graphics and HD video without compromising sound/bit-rate quality in which the OmniaHD has failed. once Vulcan and Rachael is released Satio will lose its ground if ever it become successful.

Also i laughed hard at this incompatibility thing with Symbian 4. for what reason did they drive SE to kill UIQ for if the overhyped S60-compatibility is going to cease for extinction as well? the great promise of a very appealing User interface at the UIQ showroom should've been choosen instead of relying on an outdated and boring interface the S605th has to offer.

I really feel that Android and WebOS is going to kill symbian soon.

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Posted: 2009-08-07 05:00:02
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It still remains the S60 with the best UI. S60 users would vouch for it.
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Posted: 2009-08-07 05:04:27
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Razec
OmniaHD recently got an update to improve the sound quality in HD video recording from AMR to AAC audio. the 535 is in the PalmPre as well AFAIK, ultimately i seem to be following that chipset instead of an OS
Se_dude
I agree, but even I as a huge S60 fan am looking to the darkside, ive been keeping an eye the Palm PRE, im not so keen on Android. All i want is a "future safe" OS, and im starting to get cold feet about symbian all these changes.
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Posted: 2009-08-07 05:50:47
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I guess we have to see how it works. The menus have been heavily customized and the multimedia features have been cranked up too. The palm pre looks pretty good but the Satio has the camera over them which may attract a few more users. With Symbian releasing a unified app-store in November, i think the Satio holds a very good chance of capturing the people's interests.
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Posted: 2009-08-07 06:27:35
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Dude ... that's not news you're reading. You're readin junk that is SPUN on Engadget and Gizmodo the SAME press outfit that has run S60 and Symbian's name in the MUD (we all know what MUD spells backwards ).

Symbian-Foundation has stated this MONTHS ago ... actually almost 9-12mths ago when they FIRST started. This is NOTHING new at all.

The same shite you've been reading about Symbian-Foundation "Good for users, BAD for programmers" tag lines was stated before about 3 - 3.5yrs ago when S60 3rd Edition debuted. All the naye sayers THEN said S60 was dead. All the gamers would leave instantly because no more taco-gaming on QD and such. Nokia, Samsung, LG has proven them ALL wrong.

Face it. Technology adapts and this time a 10yr "mature" OS that started its roots in Psion is getting better and better. And now its OPEN.



^ You want a "future safe" OS?
Safe as in investment in your applications .... You better avoid WebOS.
WebOS is what was left after Palm OS and Palm Source avoiding Colbalt = Palm OS 6 6yrs ago.
WebOS has not documented anything regarding security and it is still very young.
WebOS is what was left after Palm OS got pig headed and rejected Access' Linux offering 2yrs ago.
^ WebOS has one MAJOR plus above the current smartphone OS' in use now = Mutliple Exchange Server synchronizations (this is sweet).
But to me - in my humble opinion its still a fancy iPhone that was done right. However I worry that even though Linux kernel is at its core ... its not as open-source as LiMo Foundation or Android or Symbian OS currently is undergoing & transitioning to a complete open-source OS. And I don't use "complete" sparringly or lightly here.

Symbian:
This is the OS that started its life in powerful PDA's that offered NATIVE MS Word/Excel display (on a B&W screen of course) when Palm was considered the KING of the PDA world (just before the Palm IIIc. Not even PPC2002 had this done right.
This is the OS that dispite the Android fan fare has LASTED the varying market segments and market places GLOBALLY.
This is the OS that can run on a netbook with off-the-shelf parts from Intel.
This is the ONLY OS that is capable of SMP Semetric Multi-Processing. This was capable in OS 9.3 - and until ARM Cortex A8 cpu could not be fully exploited. I see ONLY iPhone coming close or capable within 2yrs due to its OS X core; Android should too however its Linux Kernel is stripped down pretty big.

future safe?
Symbian in its 10+yrs has suffered LESS virii than Windows 98, XP, ME, or 2KPro individually and almost comparable to OS X's virii record. Also note though that Symbian has less security holes that have been updated amongst them ALL.

Palm was nothing and is nothing without the original 4 former Apple employees ... now 7. Should Apple decide to law down the gauntlet ... they have MORE than enough leverage to win in court 3x over - and their lawyers are pretty blood thirsty (mental issues since the whole Windows3.1 saga I'll bet).

Symbian OS in version 3 or 4 will most likely go head to head with Ubuntu, other Linii, and Android for MID or smartphone supremacy.

WebOS doesn't support Lotus Domino which leaves out 30-32% of the corporate email marketplace - and as a contractor I need to be able to switch to both with my smartphone of choice. Unfortunately more and more financial corporations are relying on RSA SecureID's to leverage webmail/OWA even for direct salary employees and its the damn shame and a pain in the arse and seriously expensive.

I'd trust Microsoft more in the smartphone space than Palm currently. Palm has the nice layer and multitasking done right - though that calendar looks more busy and crammed no matter how full 5-10 meeting/pay/5-day week looks on it ~ much worse than Palm's previous PIM organization.

Don't just go for the gui look and feel. Get the substance first; because after the first week of showing the OS off to your friends ... its ALL comes down to how that smartphone serves your NEEDS before your wants. Like you WANT the hottest girl in the world, and NEED a girl what wants you above the next guy and is happy just to see you look at her and keeps you well at night if you bump your head. Most of us don't get both all the time ... but if you DO get both ... BONUS!! Your smartphone ... you should NEVER sacrifice your needs to wants or wants to needs.

Make your choice ... just be informed based on what you want.

For those worried about evolving OS ... don't worry your applications will evolve with it or a better app will come along.
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Posted: 2009-08-07 08:16:24
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@Prom1:

That was a pretty long post to read Actually my eyes are set for the future WM 6.5 and 7. apparently this is the OS i know that can offer everything for users and programmers especially with excellent hardware support from the chipset makers. and i don't think Google will let Android's limitation stay for long. but i doubt if symbian will still maintain its market share before releasing its open source OS as Apple is eating its market share very quickly. Also even if iphone OS lacks the full power of Symbian OS which many have pinpointed as the recipe for failure of the platform, Apple has shown the world that User Experience is a first thing on mobile phones, a powerful platform with a crappy interface is a pain to use anyway (read: S60 5th). I could only wish that the Symbian ^4 will feature the UIQ concept UIs on their showroom site to took make people ditch iphone OS. after using an iphone and iPod touch, i realize why the world is going crazy about the OS platform. Anyway just my personal opinion.

@GUCCI:

iphone was the only 3430 handset that uses SGX535, Satio, OmniaHD and Pre are using 3430 chipsets with SGX530. while Snapdragon 8250's AMD Z430 GPU beats the 530 on both pre and satio, but the SGX535 on iphone proves to be better based on benchmarks. However iphone's GPU severely looses to tegra and the dual core Snapdragon 8672. imagine those great hardwares coming for WM and Android (perhaps for iphone and pre too) which Symbian users can only dream of. I don't even want to mention Freescale's processors with poor GPUs

Anyway iPhone's SGX 535GPU was used in intel's GMA 500 IGP found on netbooks and old core2duo laptops

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Posted: 2009-08-07 10:11:52
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Agree with most of your points, razec. I, too, would have loved that last UIQ UI!

@Prom1

As much as what you point out is valid I feel you are making a mistake of living in the past where Symbian is concerned, much like SE the past couple of years.

As much as they were at the front in the Os (Symbian) the smartphone market was not as intensive as it is now. RIM, Android, Apple (though I struggle with refering to the Iphone as a fully fledged smartphone) are making serious inroads into Symbian. They are busy losing customers while waiting for Symbian^4 and it will continue when you look at what's coming out now.Samsung, SE, HTC and Motorola are all readying Android phones while Symbian is stagnant, let's be honest, people are beginning to realise how pathetic S60 touch is. Imagine seeing an Android device from your friend that is beyond S60 v5 in terms of UI and user experience? The switch will likely be easier since Symbian looks to be on 'coming soon' status.

I also share razec's assertion that Google will not let Android's limitations last long. Personally, I'd love to see what Donut has to offer seeing that that is more than likely what I'll be using next year.

I'm not too perturbed by chipsets as they are also evolving. The Intel-Nokia agreement is a point in case, Nokia is likely to use something interesting and powerful in future. Thus far the Tegra seems a step above the rest.
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Posted: 2009-08-07 11:49:02
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@ razec. you can harp on about chipsets all you like mate, but at the end of the day, only the hardcore users actually care about all that stuff..the hd is a superb device, and out of the box, its far more stable than alot of devices. already, there have been 3 firmware updates released..as for 5th edition, i like it, as a first time user, overall. having used windows before, i won't be using it again. nor android..the G1 is enough to make me vomit. awful device. i think people here focus too much on chipsets blah blah, rather than overall functionality.
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Posted: 2009-08-07 12:20:00
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@dups! . I disagree with your 'people are begining to realize how pathetic s60 is' remark.. Not everybody gets a semi everytime some geek refines a ui to wìthin an inch of its life. Can you even justify that stupid remark? I doubt it..thankfully people like you are in the minority on this forum..
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Posted: 2009-08-07 23:01:00
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First of all i respect your opinion. I can see that you love your new phone and its S60 5th OS just as i love Android, WM and Apple OS. but you're pretty wrong with your first sentence, high end chipsets == better games and multimedia(image quality, megapixels, HD video quality) and that complements overall functionality. Game developers can harness the benefits of it by maximizing the quality of their games for as long as the hardware delivers. you think only hardcore users needs those things? then what's the point of having a powerful smartphone that can do it all? and why did you buy a hardcore device like OmniaHD at the first place? I'm not saying that 3430 is a poor chipset but its not the best, admit it, and high end phone users will want more and more power with their gadgets. not just a phone that has a chipset that is not supposed to encode HD video but is being forced by the manufacturer to do so, ending up with quality issues like higher compression or poor audio. I'm pretty sure you'd like your OmniaHD to have the 1Ghz hummingbird CPU that is truly capable of encoding HD video without issues. and I was amused when you said that you won't take android because you don't like G1, as if it's the only android available. Well there were a number of android devices already and soon rachael will join the club. IMO Windows Mobile 6.5 is coming in stores along with the devices and as far as i can see i'm pretty liking the new UI, and couple that with fast, new gen chipsets like Snapdragon and Tegra that will make the User Experience much better.

Guys, sorry for off topic.

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Posted: 2009-08-08 05:58:38
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