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Right-oh! Thanks, again....
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Posted: 2004-10-15 16:58:04
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You could go for a walk...
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Posted: 2004-10-15 17:24:21
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Bit bloody late now... And it's feckin raining!
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Posted: 2004-10-15 17:25:54
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On 2004-10-15 17:25:54, Burgaz wrote:
Bit bloody late now... And it's feckin raining!
@burgaz - Good mate ! That's just what we call here . . . 'bed' weather
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Posted: 2004-10-16 14:35:36
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mince/ meths...
very straightforward question!!... i'm curious, about license plates on cars in the uk.
what's an M plate or an E plate all about? why's it so confusing?any resources on that?
thanks.. as always!!
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Posted: 2004-10-16 21:18:35
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Sorry drunk....
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Posted: 2004-10-16 21:46:28
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On 2004-10-16 21:18:35, plasmadog wrote:
mince/ meths...
very straightforward question!!... i'm curious, about license plates on cars in the uk.
what's an M plate or an E plate all about? why's it so confusing?any resources on that?
thanks.. as always!!
The first letter of a licence plate refers to the year a car was first registered. This is for vehicles made from 1982 onwards starting with A. Vehicles made before 1982 had the year of first registration letter at the end of the plate (eg my old Mini was CLA 38Y. Y being the year of registration which is Aug 1981- Aug 1982). Newer vehicles have a number to show what their year of registration was (eg, DL52 LBX. 52 meaning it was registered in 2002)
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Posted: 2004-10-16 21:50:12
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Hi @plas (cheers Staz womble) heres the best cut and paste I could find:
Registration Formats
The first registration marks were made up of one letter with one number, the first (A1) being issued by London County Council in 1903. Later formats were comprised of two letters and four numbers. These series were replaced as and when they were exhausted. So, whilst the Liverpool series KA lasted for only two years between 1925 and 1927, the series SJ was still being issued by Bute Council in 1963.
By the mid 1930s, the two letter/four number series of registration marks were exhausted in some areas, and new three letter/three number series were introduced. AAA 1 was issued (by Hampshire County Council) in 1934 through to AAA 999 and the commencement of the BAA series in 1936. This process continued until the mid 1950s when marks were reversed to three numbers/three letters.
Between 1963 and 1965 councils began to issue "suffix" registration marks - three letter/three numbers and a year suffix. The registration year ran from 1 January - 31 December until 1967, when the suffix change was moved to 1 August.
Centralised Registration
By the 1960s the licensing and registration system was beginning to show signs of strain and breakdown, mainly due to the ever growing numbers of vehicles and the increasing mobility of their keepers.
When vehicles were sold, or keepers moved house, logbook details had to be transferred from one area to another. Also it was far too easy for a disqualified driver to apply for a new licence by making a false declaration to another area. The system could not cope with the millions of documents passing backwards and forwards. In 1965 the Government decided that a new system should be administered centrally, with automatic data processing. It was decided that the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Centre should be situated in Swansea, supported by 81 Local Vehicle Licensing Offices.
The Centre is responsible for maintaining the central vehicle record, issuing registration documents and licensing reminders, paying vehicle excise duty refunds and enforcing payment of vehicle excise duty. It also supplies vehicle registration details to the police and ensures that the Police National Computer is updated promptly.
The Local Office network is responsible for the registration of new and imported vehicles; and the issue of vehicle licences to those vehicles not dealt with by Post Offices. Applications must be accompanied by certificates of insurance and, where appropriate MOT certificates. The offices also carry out local enforcement work and various other services - including vehicle export licensing arrangements, trade registration plates and cherished transfers.
Gradually, the number of local offices needed to support the centralised function has reduced. By 1985, the network had been reduced to 53 offices, partly due to the 3,000 Post Offices authorised to undertake vehicle licensing work (95% of all vehicle licence applications are now handled by the Post Office). To reflect the different character of their work, local offices are now known as DVLA Local Office. The introduction of automated first registration and licensing procedures has facilitated a further reduction in the size of the network, to 40 offices in 1997.
Registration Developments Since Centralisation
Number Plates - In 1973 the appearance of registration plates was changed for the first time since 1903. From 1 January, vehicles were required to have reflective number plates - black on white at the front and black on yellow at the back. Reflective plates were introduced so that unlit vehicles could be seen more easily at night. The regulations also provided for the size, shape and character of registration marks.
The conversion of vehicle records - In 1974 DVLC began registering and licensing all new vehicles and also began converting the old style log book (VE60) registered vehicles onto the computer, a process which continued until 1983. By then, the Department was facing grave problems associated with the forgery of old style log books and fraudulent claims to attractive registration marks. The solution lay in calling a halt to the continuing registration of old vehicles under their original mark.
The closure of the vehicle record - A major publicity campaign was launched regarding these intentions, which included advertisements in the national newspapers. Reports also appeared in specialist magazines and information was also circulated to all known vintage vehicle clubs and societies. To be able to retain an original mark registration had to be effected by 30 November 1983. More than 200,000 motorists took advantage of this opportunity. After the closure of the record vehicles were only able to reclaim their original registration marks if they could show that they were rare or in some way historically significant.
Suffix registrations - 1983 also saw the completion of the suffix format of registration marks. After extensive consultation, it was decided that there should be a simple and straightforward change - a reversal of the suffix format. Prefix registrations, e.g. A123 ABC lasted until 2001.
"Q" marks - At the same time, Q marks were introduced. These are issued to vehicles of indeterminable age, e.g. kit conversion vehicles which are built of major components from more than one donor vehicle, or imported vehicles where the date of first registration cannot be established. Q marks were introduced as a significant step in protecting the used car buyer and they received widespread support from the police and the motor trade.
Non - Transferability - The rules applied to the registration of older vehicles after the closure of the vehicle record in 1983 worked reasonably well. But they were perceived to be working against more common marks, and vehicle enthusiasts felt unable to restore their vehicle's historic authenticity. In 1990, after approaches from representatives of the vehicle enthusiast movement the re - assignment of original marks was allowed, on a "non - transferable" basis. It was considered that non - transferability removes the financial incentive to make bogus claims for numbers. In 1991, non transferability was also applied to " age related" registration marks. These are the marks assigned to older vehicles where the age of the vehicle can be determined and the original mark is not known or is no longer available.
New Style Marks - A brand new format, introduced in late 2001 to replace the now exhausted prefix format. These registrations take the style of two letters, a two digit year identifying number and three suffix letters, amongst which the character 'Z' is now valid.
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Posted: 2004-10-16 22:02:44
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Comprehensive...
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Posted: 2004-10-16 22:56:27
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How do you tell a girl you're not interested? Even though she keeps hinting that she's hungry and wants to see a movie...
I need like a magic key that will instantly make a girl not interested in you
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Posted: 2004-10-17 10:59:00
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