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@ carkitter, can you point out any F1 technology in the Honda Jazz?
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Posted: 2007-05-21 17:34:48
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On 2007-05-21 17:34:48, mweb6161 wrote:
@ carkitter, can you point out any F1 technology in the Honda Jazz?
yeah it's got 4 wheels...
hehe...
I see the Vw Golk W12 is a concept that cost £0.5m to build and retail cost on one should it make market would be about £100,000...
maybe i won't get one!
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Posted: 2007-05-21 18:32:54
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On 2007-05-21 17:34:48, mweb6161 wrote:
@ carkitter, can you point out any F1 technology in the Honda Jazz?
Sure, I'd be happy to!
The Fit (known as the Jazz in some markets) sports a 109-hp, 1.5-liter engine
with Honda's VTEC® technology, which ups power and torque at any engine speed. The Fit also features a
Drive-by-Wire Throttle System™ to control power delivery and ensure smooth acceleration. And Sport models equipped with the 5-speed automatic transmission feature
F1-style, steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters for even greater control.
In NZ the Jazz has a 7 spd semi-automatic tansmission with paddle shifters and has done since 2005.
Can you demonstrate the existance of F1 technology in the Lupo, Polo or even Golf or Passat?
Any VW models with a redline of 8500 rpm such as Civic, CRX, Integra Type R, NSX or 9000 rpm like S2000?
VW models have been getting slower and less efficient in terms of engineering design as the years go by. You now need a 3.2L V6 or 250hp 2L turbo motor in a Golf to go as fast as a mildly worked Golf Mk1 GTi.
OR AS FAST AS A 2Litre DOHC VTEC INTEGRA TYPE R!!! (which doesn't need a turbo) because it's uses the Formula One philosophy of Low weight/High revving engine.
That Toyota have followed Honda into F1 and Indycar shows that the philosophy is not only relevant, but essential. Toyota is predicted to become the World's number 1 car maker this year.
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Posted: 2007-05-22 07:54:19
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On 2007-05-22 07:54:19, carkitter wrote:
On 2007-05-21 17:34:48, mweb6161 wrote:
@ carkitter, can you point out any F1 technology in the Honda Jazz?
Sure, I'd be happy to!
The Fit (known as the Jazz in some markets) sports a 109-hp, 1.5-liter engine
with Honda's VTEC® technology, which ups power and torque at any engine speed. The Fit also features a
Drive-by-Wire Throttle System™ to control power delivery and ensure smooth acceleration. And Sport models equipped with the 5-speed automatic transmission feature
F1-style, steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters for even greater control.
In NZ the Jazz has a 7 spd semi-automatic tansmission with paddle shifters and has done since 2005.
Can you demonstrate the existance of F1 technology in the Lupo, Polo or even Golf or Passat?
Any VW models with a redline of 8500 rpm such as Civic, CRX, Integra Type R, NSX or 9000 rpm like S2000?
VW models have been getting slower and less efficient in terms of engineering design as the years go by. You now need a 3.2L V6 or 250hp 2L turbo motor in a Golf to go as fast as a mildly worked Golf Mk1 GTi.
OR AS FAST AS A 2Litre DOHC VTEC INTEGRA TYPE R!!! (which doesn't need a turbo) because it's uses the Formula One philosophy of Low weight/High revving engine.
That Toyota have followed Honda into F1 and Indycar shows that the philosophy is not only relevant, but essential. Toyota is predicted to become the World's number 1 car maker this year.
Cool so Hondas using F1 technology in their cars so all the golf 1's 4's and 5's can leave them in their dust, whats the point
And what golf is a 3.2l V6 turbo? I have a 132kw Mk4 standard with a dumpvalve, and a little flat bed K&N filter, that girly little high revving S2000 cant keep up, Mr 350Z also has a little trouble keeping up, I sit on the front wheels on a Focus ST... Soo whats next? Im waiting to go against a Type R!!!
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Posted: 2007-05-22 08:43:57
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On 2007-05-22 07:54:19, carkitter wrote:
The Fit (known as the Jazz in some markets) Drive-by-Wire Throttle System™ to control power delivery and ensure smooth acceleration. And Sport models equipped with the 5-speed automatic transmission feature F1-style, steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters for even greater control.
In NZ the Jazz has a 7 spd semi-automatic tansmission with paddle shifters and has done since 2005.
Can you demonstrate the existance of F1 technology in the Lupo, Polo or even Golf or Passat?
If I had one of those Jazz's I'd be having a Fit every day. When I used to work in car rental. We had these on fleet. One of the worst cars for problems.
Other cars we had on fleet were:
Mercades
VW
Fiat
Ford
Renault
Honda
Audi
Smart
Subaru
The VW's, Fiat's and Renault's were the better cars of the fleet. Hardly any mechanical problems at all.
The Honda's (Jazz, Accord, Civic) and Subaru (Impreza STi, Turbo 2000) were in workshop constantly with faults.
Paddle shifters on a semi automatic/full time automatic gearbox. In my experience in using these on road going cars. I've found them to be a waste of time due to a delay in the gear change. Manual close ratio gearbox is much better.
F1 technology in a VW Lupo, Polo, Golf, Passat.
Drive-by-Wire Throttle System™
All recent VW's have drive by wire.
My 2000 VW Lupo 1.0 has drive by wire and so does my 2002 SEAT Leon 1.4
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Posted: 2007-05-22 11:12:34
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Cool so Hondas using F1 technology in their cars so all the golf 1's 4's and 5's can leave them in their dust, whats the point
And what golf is a 3.2l V6 turbo? I have a 132kw Mk4 standard with a dumpvalve, and a little flat bed K&N filter, that girly little high revving S2000 cant keep up, Mr 350Z also has a little trouble keeping up, I sit on the front wheels on a Focus ST... Soo whats next? Im waiting to go against a Type R!!!
What's the point?
The point is:
That a car can be fast without a turbo if you design it well.
A turbo engine costs more to produce, is less reliable due increased stress on the engine, uses more petrol, and costs more in insurance.
Also the low down torque from a turbo motor causes traction problems that most manufacturers solve with bulky, heavy AWD systems. Honda's answer to FWD power understeer? ATTS - Active Torque Transfer System. An electronically controlled differential which moves the bulk of the torque from the inside wheel to the outside wheel, causing the car to turn in towards the apex instead of slewing away from it. This improves cornering on the 97YM Prelude and 01YM Integra Type R (and other models) while maintaining a good power to weight ratio. Smart design = reliable efficient cars. Why do you think Honda and Toyota are so rich?
Honda can switch a production line from making an old model to the new model in a day. No-one else can do that.
What's VW's answer to Honda and Toyota Hybrids? Diesel! Why? Because the know they can't beat VTEC and Hybrids at their own game.
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[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2007-05-22 12:08 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-22 12:30:53
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i got a VW golf III (nothing special)
160000 km on the clock, only had a new set of tires ... everything else still runs on origional parts without complications.
however i must admit; no more golf to me.
next car is going to be a frence one, those seem to fly over speed-bumps
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Posted: 2007-05-22 12:55:34
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On 2007-05-22 12:30:53, carkitter wrote:
Cool so Hondas using F1 technology in their cars so all the golf 1's 4's and 5's can leave them in their dust, whats the point
And what golf is a 3.2l V6 turbo? I have a 132kw Mk4 standard with a dumpvalve, and a little flat bed K&N filter, that girly little high revving S2000 cant keep up, Mr 350Z also has a little trouble keeping up, I sit on the front wheels on a Focus ST... Soo whats next? Im waiting to go against a Type R!!!
What's the point?
The point is:
That a car can be fast without a turbo if you design it well.
A turbo engine costs more to produce, is less reliable due increased stress on the engine, uses more petrol, and costs more in insurance.
Also the low down torque from a turbo motor causes traction problems that most manufacturers solve with bulky, heavy AWD systems. Honda's answer to FWD power understeer? ATTS - Active Torque Transfer System. An electronically controlled differential which moves the bulk of the torque from the inside wheel to the outside wheel, causing the car to turn in towards the apex instead of slewing away from it. This improves cornering on the 97YM Prelude and 01YM Integra Type R (and other models) while maintaining a good power to weight ratio. Smart design = reliable efficient cars. Why do you think Honda and Toyota are so rich?
Honda can switch a production line from making an old model to the new model in a day. No-one else can do that.
What's VW's answer to Honda and Toyota Hybrids? Diesel! Why? Because the know they can't beat VTEC and Hybrids at their own game.
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If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?
[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2007-05-22 12:08 ]
So in essence you think a Type will win on the track? Im sure that will be arranged. It has and the Mk5 Gti is fast around our track at Kyalami, takes 2sec quicker than a S2000 (As per our car mag) Turbo cars seem to be way these days, even BM and Merc are making them, and as per you the Jap guys are concentrating on design to make the car quicker... ???
Design counts alot thats why German cars are on top!! Jap cars look like Dinky Toys cant really call that design.
Most German cars have those traction control aids EBD and the like, so its nothing new, as for Honda and Toyota having more money, I think VW's empire is worth more!
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Posted: 2007-05-22 14:10:29
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Speaking of racetracks, if VW's are so good, wheres their DTM racecar? BTCC? WRC? GT1/GT2? F1 or Indycar?
A few years ago an Australian car magazine tested 9 cars under AUS$40,000. They set up a rating system where the cars were tested on a race track, under road conditions, and 'in the driveway' or in other words, overall running costs - insurance, servicing, petrol etc.
1st was the Integra Type R, 2nd was the Civic VTIR, 3rd the Toyota Celica VVTi, 4th a Peugeot 206 GTi... last was the Impreza RXi. No turbo cars were available any where near that price and yet thats what you need to compete with a Honda on preformance.
If cost and fuel economy is no object to you then compare your turbo Golf to a turboed Integra or Prelude eh?
I've seen non-turbo mildly worked (bolt on mods not internal changes) VTEC Integras doing 13.5s ETs.
BTW, when I was an apprentice at Honda, a customer bought a 94 Civic 1.6 SOHC non-VTEC sedan new and had a Jackson Racing Supercharger kit fitted to it. It used to eat WRX's for breakfast.
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[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2007-05-22 14:04 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-22 14:51:54
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On 2007-05-22 14:51:54, carkitter wrote:
Speaking of racetracks, if VW's are so good, wheres their DTM racecar? BTCC? WRC? GT1/GT2? F1 or Indycar?
A few years ago an Australian car magazine tested 9 cars under AUS$40,000. They set up a rating system where the cars were tested on a race track, under road conditions, and 'in the driveway' or in other words, overall running costs - insurance, servicing, petrol etc.
1st was the Integra Type R, 2nd was the Civic VTIR, 3rd the Toyota Celica VVTi, 4th a Peugeot 206 GTi... last was the Impreza RXi. No turbo cars were available any where near that price and yet thats what you need to compete with a Honda on preformance.
If cost and fuel economy is no object to you then compare your turbo Golf to a turboed Integra or Prelude eh?
I've seen non-turbo mildly worked (bolt on mods not internal changes) VTEC Integras doing 13.5s ETs.
BTW, when I was an apprentice at Honda, a customer bought a 94 Civic 1.6 SOHC non-VTEC sedan new and had a Jackson Racing Supercharger kit fitted to it. It used to eat WRX's for breakfast.
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[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2007-05-22 14:04 ]
Yoh thats funny, we got all types of supercars in the world here in SA yet we dont have any of the ones you mentioned except the Peugeot...
Maybe Honda SA thinks they a waste?? Must be coz the Type R as cheap as a 206 Gti will definatley sell...
We not like the Aus people we find Aus style cars bland and boring all the Falcon crap almost ruin Ford here!
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Posted: 2007-05-22 15:09:56
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