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They have Java OS running on PC's with higher resolution.

Max_Wedge

" There is no WM device I know of with a decent camera, so I continue to maintain two phones. "

I believe that the HTC Mogul for Sprint=USA, Telus=Canada, have the best size for the Touchscreen - many times I almost caved in. They have the best camera of any HTC model (2MP+AutoFocus+LED Flash).I don't like touchscreens; just preference. Moto's Q9h has a great camera 30fps@QVGA Recording & playback = hate the size.

Right now I'm so confused at which smartphone I'll get. Top running goes to S60 - I love the UI but it has changed so much like their phones just as a fad. For the icons, arrangement and ability to personalize I think S60 is THE BEST smartphone on the market, bar non (for NON-Touchscreens). Windows Mobile offers lots of Media abilities but the UI - icons alone have NOT evolved since 2001 = very unprofessional.


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Posted: 2007-12-08 18:25:48
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for a detailed comparison between those two java platforms read this:
S40 3rd edition(6300) vs SE A100( )
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/k800vs6233-en.shtml

Yet M-R did not provided us with a detailed comparison between A200 and S40 v5 so you can compare them by yourself

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/a200-se-en.shtml

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/s405thedition-en.shtml



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Posted: 2007-12-09 00:03:49
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@mib1800:
Saying that the crap Nokia UI is better than SE's UI is just ridiculous.


Oh, and does Nokia have flash themes? I don't think so!
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Posted: 2007-12-09 00:11:29
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Not sure what version you are on but I just upgraded my just bought (today) E65. I downloaded the upgrade via the NSU. My phone is unbranded though.
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@NightBlade

No more crazy than you constantly saying how bad the Nokia UI is as if the SE one is just so much better why do more people use the Nokia UI than SE's?

You may not like it or S60 but many more people love and use them then use SE and that quite simply is a fact and they can't all be wrong.

If SE really were as great as you obviously believe they are surly we would all be using that by now wouldn't we.

So just what is your explanation as to why SE has just 10% or less Market share if it is just so brilliant then? why isn't at least 2nd or 3rd and growing at a fast rate then?

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-09 01:56 ]
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I already said S60 supports flash menu. You have heard of people using HandyTaskman in place of the built-in one. You can do the same for the main menu. You can plug in a flash/c++/java based menu in place of default ones. A big software producer for WM (spbplus) has even created an entire desktop (i.e. menu/active standby/fav/taskman) based entirely on flash for S60.

Maybe you want to counter these points on why I think SE UI cannot match S60:

1. Main menu is suppose to contain all your apps. In SE UI, why is it that if you want to start a Java app (multi-task) you have to go to Activity menu. Why all this confusion? In S60, you just use the Main Menu to start any apps.

2. Why is it that you need to press the Activity Menu and choose the right tab to see your current events or get to your favorites? In S60 all these are in in the standby screen and accessed easily.

3. Why is it that if you want to see running tasks, you use the activity menu, which contains other irrelevant info (like event, fav etc) and forced additional keypress to go to the right tab. In S60, you just long press the Menu key and running tasks are shown neatly.

4. Why is it that SE UI main menu contains only 12 icons? Why can't you add more app icons or re-order the position of the icons or create (icon-based) sub-menus? S60 can do all these and more.

5. Why is it some widely used apps are stuck inside the Organiser submenu and needing 3-9 keypress to start?. In S60 I can start any of these with just 1 or 2 keypress.

6. Why is the tab size (in a dialog) so BIG blocking out the screen?

7. In contact search why is it that you cannot search by first/last name combinations? S60 has this ages ago.

8. Why is theme support so basic? Why can't I have a different icon set for each theme? S60 has this and more.

9. Why are icons in the main menu not labelled but in list sub-menu are? Yet another inconsistency. In S60 all menu icons (grid/list) are all labelled neatly.



[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2007-12-09 02:21 ]
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Oh c'mon guys why must it always a war between Nokia and SE? Not only at Esato but other forum too like mobile review. Whenever someone brings up some weakness, either side of the avid fans will attack and defend profusedly. I notice some who critisize may not necessairly those who own the devices but rather on short time usage or on hear say, so not very fair to each other.

After using both brand, I must say each has its own advantages and disadvantages. Personally I still like the light and nimble UI on SE dumbphone plus longer talktime for my basic phoning needs, bluetoothing, texting and in rare case playing java games.

The camphones on k750 especially with combination of LED and MXE60 Xenon seems to be quite ideal to me too. I owned a N95-8GB (cannot bring myself to like k850) but frankly I miss the option using the led as a torchlight and the extra Xenon accesories. My N95 photo is also tends to be a bit blurry expecially when comes to cropping details. However the color is more brilliant than k850.

As a dumbphone, the UI in SE is pretty quick too. Compare to a similar dumbphone from Nokia 5070 I must say at certain point SE is even quicker. At nokia 5070 opening multimedia folder is not instant as SE. There is this waiting bar ala Nokia scrollingbefore the pictures appears. No such problem while opening multimedia folder in K750.

The S60 UI in N95 8GB is rather laggy to compare to the light A100 but it is not a fair comparison anyway. It is a matter of getting use to. But frankly it is quite annoying to press the button and nothing happens for a while. Normally as reflect I would press another to make sure but instead it brings to the second or third level of command already.

I also miss quick application opening at the dpad and the dedicated shortcut menu button with more shortcuts, missed callers, messaging and calendar in SE. The S60 has an option of 7 shortcuts on active standby or by offing the active standy the dpad can be programmed as SE dpad shortcut. unfortunately it is still short of dedicated shortcut button still as mentioned.

I am also not madly like the grid or bar type of menu on S60. Many times I need to scroll down cos one menu takes two spacing ond often hide on the subsequent pages. Unlike SE with one spacing and can be seen in its smallish screen quite clearly. But again it is a matter of adjustment.

I happens to own a touch screen WM wifi for an easy syncro with my pc applications, easy office tasks, easy gps, easy browsing and for some useful softwares that is not available on symbian. I often bring my k750 for longer talk time phoning plus the pda as I cannot depend on a symbian smartphone alone.

IMHO, I would prefer both brand improve as it benefits me as a consumer rather than defending and slow to improve thinking they are already much superior one to another. No flame intended
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@islandprd



Maybe you are not so familiar with how to use your N95 8G. . If you turn of active standby, you have 7 shortcuts (5 joypad, 2 softkeys) + long press menu key gives you Task Man + long press multimedia gives you music player + long press shuttle button start camera + dedicate gallery button + dedicate menu button + dedicated multimedia menu. I think there are more than enough shortcuts.



Then make the menu exactly 12 icons (incl. sub-folders). You can use the position key shortcuts with 2 or 3 keypress to open any app. Like I say you cannot do this with SE - you need from 2 to 9 keypress. If you know more about your N95 then you will find it much more user friendly.



On the very first use of N95 menu/sub menu there is some lag. But after that it is blazingly faster than SE A100.

I am not trying to say SE UI is crap but it is certainly not better than S60. Each have its pros & cons. I am just putting in a reality checks for those who tout the SE UI as the best UI that ever happened.

As you seems to answer my post which is about UI and since you say SE UI is better, then for objectivity sake can you answer the 9 questions I asked in my previous post.



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[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2007-12-09 07:17 ]
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why dont you comeback after 10 years when you're a little mature and have something constructive to say? in the mean time, let us grownups talk, so shoo!
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All these a matter of getting used to. It is a matter of taste and everyone has a different taste one to another

Thanks for more tips on N95. As an advance user can you please tell me how to set to end a call instantly when the slider closed and how to attached voice tag into the name so I can dial via voice command in bluetooth headset? I need those functions badly. Thanks.

Now, I try to answer some but dont laugh ok, cos I am juz a normal user I leave my K800 at the drawer and I only have my k750 and N95 with me now.

1) Pressing the joystick once will bring to 12 icons with messaging highlighted. If I want to go to organizer application, I press no 0 on the keypad and it will go to organizer text sub menu (very easy no need to guess the icon). It list Alarm, Application (some java there), calendar, tasks, notes, synchro. Other wise If I want to play game from main 12 icons I press keypad no 3 and it goes to entertainment sub menu. If I want to see my folders I just press joystick + keypad no 7 to file manager then choose pictures, video, sounds etc. Quite simple really.

2) If you have some events, appointment of the day, it will pop up on the standby screen (must choose to enabled). By pressing the activity key it will list the events, move the joystick aside it will brings to bookmark and shortcuts which can be customized to 7 applications you often need. Quite simple too

3) I never need to see all running tasks as normally it is pretty straight forward. After using messages it will close so no need to see if it is still running. During a java game if interupted can see a shortcut to go back to games. It is not a smartphone so I dont expect it to do complicated tasks at once. For instant taks I use my PDA with no lag, no pressing keys, as everything can run on standby and on touchscreen.

4) 12 icons on main menu is enough. After which can go to line sub menus. Anyway the 12 icons corespond to the keypad-layout. So choosing the icon/application is as simple as pressing the corresponding keypad.

5) Those frequently used application can be assigned to shortcuts with much fewer clicks, so no issue there

6) I dont quite get this. Which tab is so big to block whole screen?

7) This is a matter of getting used to. By long pressing the keypad it will bring to list of names starting with the choosen alphabets. In fact I prefer this than the Nokia where you need to enter more alphabets to bring into the exact contat. Sometimes I cannot remember the whole name so prefer the it to be listed alphabetically. In fact I wish nokia has this option cos I cannot remember who and who assigned to speed dial no 0 to 9. Often mistaken

I am so happy with the fool-proof SE themes. Free themes editor included in the software. With that I can accustomed and make my own themes. I prefer this than complicated themes in N95 anytime

9) I dont need to see the screen icons to go to certain applications. I just press joystick and correspondence no on the keypad. Btw 12 icons are not an issue for long time SE user. It doesnt change places so it is so easy to remember. Definetely new user may need getting used to but so does to every other phones UI. Till now I am still confused the UI in N95 or samsung.

Btw, on my k750 there are 4 assignable shotcuts on joystick, 2 more shortcuts button and one activity key that can bring to 7 more often used application/tasks shortcuts, bookmark and events. Keypad * to lock and # to silent.

To on a bluetooth I just simply assigned bluetooth to joystick. With one movement it is on (or off) with the popup menu appears temporarily to disappear to standby mode again. N95 altough it is on active standby I need to press one click to bluetooth and another to on or off confirmation and another to exit (no need for SE). On the mid active shortcuts takes more pressing which supposedly shortcuts in the first place. Offing active means no events display which defeat the purpose pop-up menu on SE.

Anyway like I said earlier all these are all about getting used and a matter of personal taste


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