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@Prom1

Great posts and i agree with most of what you say and would happily concede that at this point in time the Blackberry Devices are head and shoulders above anything else when it comes to offering a full and manageable Corporate Solution it really is the Ultimate Buisness device. It really doesn't face any other product that gets close but it is only the best in that sector IMO.

I have already noted the newest Pearl is now 3G but am not so sure the Multimedia enhancements are the way to go, for Blackberry i really think master of one rather than jack of all. There is nothing wrong with improving screens, video playback and having a great browser or even a decent music player but i wouldn't try using these as major selling points.

Although Buisness and Buisness type devices benefit from increased Data speeds it's really not essential for many types of data. Where as for multimedia it is, this is the area where i see the biggest growth for Data. Buisness already knows and uses Data but now that multimedia is becoming viable especially with fixed price Data plans and WiFi and the speed and qaulity is there more people will start using it. We are talking about things like Mobile Networking so you are always in touch and able to interact with your friends, uploading pictures to Flickr or video to You Tube, updating Face Book, My space or your blog, all this will be seamless whether your at Home at Work or out and about.

A lot of people failed to grasp just how big an announcement OVI was at the time and have also failed to notice some of the largest Networks have now signed up with Nokia in providing enhanced services. After initially rejecting the concept of sharing their users as opposed to their users as opposed to directing them to their own services. Now there must be a reason for this as it may deprive of them of revenue, so unless they felt they stood to lose users for not being able to access these feature rich experiences i am pretty sure they wouldn't of done so.

I really do believe that it's the multimedia smart phone that is going to have massive growth and i really am not sure just how well suited Java is to this or not.

I really would like to here from those that know about Java what it is capable of and i don't mean multi tasking or how good the UI looks. Just what level of media can it support and are there currently powerful enough processors to support data intensive applications.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-13 01:59 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-13 02:55:25
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Java may be a little behind when it comes to multimedia. By this of course I mean what we're currently used to ...

1) 30fps @ QVGA resolution for Video Recording (minimum).
2) Stereo audio (42/44Khz) playback (especially over A2DP and in the background of other operations without skips, pauses, or drops in audio playback.
3) 30fps @ QVGA resolution for Video Playback.


Security (of the HIGHEST accord) just is part of the Java core OS so that an application going wild will not be able to do so. Cannot be installed WITHOUT user being prompted to do so ... well this is what I see with RIM's Java OS devices. Its NOT running on top of linux (like Moto's JUIX which is now dead.)

Can java support 3G?
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Posted: 2007-12-13 06:40:18
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Agreed. My post was merely to get the thread back on track since some people seem intent lately to make every thread into Nokia vs SE or s60 vs everything else.

While my post described what the thread was NOT about, the points you raise are obviously a part of any discussion as we must compare with other choices, but not to the extent where the whole discussion does not move the main topic forward but instead becomes stagnant while the "which is best" is constantly being argued, as was the case here.

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[ This Message was edited by: masseur on 2007-12-13 06:33 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-13 07:04:40
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Thank you Massuer Quite agree.

Prom1, I believe the multitasking JVM is actual multitasking? I just now opened a web browser window with opera min, then minimised and started a file transfer operation using mini commander from one folder to another. Both tasks continued unabated as I task switch between them. The web pages continued to load, and when I went back to the task the webpage had finished loading. Then when I waited a little while and then switched back to mini commander, it had finished the file transfer (I made it a large transfer to ensure it would take longer than the time it took to switch tasks.


So, in effect two tasks continued to run simoultaneously, while task switching between tasks. I believe in your case, the netfront browser causes opera mini to pause because the phone itself is NOT a multi-task os, so when it needs the network hardware, it kills or pauses any java app using that hardware. A music or camera session are different story however they can run without pausing java since they run on separate processors (music on dsp, camera on the camera module microprocessor)

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Posted: 2007-12-13 08:42:22
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PERFECT! Thanks for the clarification & for test as always my friend! So there IS hope & good faith placed in SE continuing with Java.

@Masseur, thank you for your kind words & wisdom. It was definately needed.

That said does anyone have any leads or information about the developer community striving for a Java OS? Any manufacturer big/small doing just this?
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Posted: 2007-12-14 09:18:19
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I don't think JAVA will ever replace the SE OS (A100/A200 etc), but rather it will continue to improve the level of integration of JAVA api's with the phone hardware so that JAVA as an application platform will eventually be able to do the same kinds of things a native OS can do (and more, such as multi-task)

I just installed Opera Mini 4, it's BRILLIANT! Who needs s60 3rd edition for decent web viewing now?
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Posted: 2007-12-15 05:41:19
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What if the newly announced android OS would also be integrated to an SE phone? - i bet the binary architecture of the android is well appropriate to utilize JP platform alongside with it's native platform and for sure unlike Symbian it could use more efficient hardware accelerations like nvidia/ATi etc.
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Posted: 2007-12-15 05:46:33
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Do you mean that Symbian won't replace SE's OS? Because A100/A200 are both JAVA-based...
PS. It already can multi-task!
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Posted: 2007-12-15 11:23:10
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Hi Max,

Well in answer to your question i do as with all the fan fare surrounding Opera Mini 4 and all the claims of how fantastic it was i thought i would try this latest and greatest version.

Guess what within 5 minutes of it being installed it was removed as IMO and for me it was still a piece of hot steaming stuff that Otis deposits out of his rear when we go for a run.

I have really really tried to understand just what people think is so great about Opera Mini or any of it's Mobile versions hell i even tried it as a desktop browser on my Computer. I can't help it but i just can't get along with it at all i just don't like it.

As always i am not saying anyone else shouldn't like it or use it if it's what they like fine by me but it's just not for me is all i am saying, i am much happier using the Safari based Browser on my Device and boring IE7 on my laptop.

This is the one thing that concerns me the most if i return to UIQ and the P5 the fact it means using an Opera browser.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-15 18:16 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-15 19:15:08
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What I said was, JAVA won't replace A200 as the phone core OS. A100 and A200 are not Java based. They have a JAVA Virtual Machine built in, and the programs that operate within the JVM can multi-task only within the JVM, however the A100 (or A200) OS itself is not multi-task capable and is most definitely NOT java based.



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Posted: 2007-12-15 23:33:09
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