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On 2008-03-03 20:33:42, Dogmann wrote:
You really can' be serious do you
*im dead serious
We looked at what SE said this devcie was going to enable us to do and paid a price that was based on it's functionallity not what they delivered and then made there users endure for a nearly a year before telling us it was perfect and introducing 3 New Bugs in what they considered a last firmware.
*then as i remember my 9500 comunicator is full of bugs (slow ui, always restarting, sometimes when someone calling phone freezing & some contact being presistent/cannot be deleted) even on the latest firmware. do you aware that 9500 is nokia flagship dont you?
As for this classic SE supporters defence which is truly sad
*nope i own e90 & 5300 too. Dont jump into conclution too quickly.
And look at you! You always said badly about
but you never buy any latest
flagship! You always saw things & comment from other people opinion
~a classic defence for a classic nokia supporter & what a naive you are
Well how about because we are discussing SE so what relevance does what any other manufacturer do or not, simple answer it doesn't as we are discussing SE's problems for that you need a Nokia thread.
*come on dont you read what the ts(thread starter) said? Or maybe should i remind you?
On 2008-03-02 15:25:59, makbil wrote:
After all, Nokia does it, why not SE?
*so? Hes already compare it with nokia. Come on dogmann dont pretend you dont know it dont you?
As for your last comment i won't even bother answering such a stupid question.
*you are naive and dishonest person
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Posted: 2008-03-04 03:42:00
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SE knew P990 is a debacle and that's why they took the consious decision to abandon it instead of pumping in more money to salvage it. I sympathise with those who bought P990 but nobody puts a gun to your head. All the signs were there that the P990 was in trouble before even it went on sales but still went out and bought it despite of this.
One lesson that can be learn from this (which some SE fans are oblivious to) is that SE does not have the capability yet to deliver advance spec-ed phone. What I mean by "deliver" is not just having a big publicity announcement but also follow it thru all the way. Maybe SE is trying to show-off capability that it dont have.
So before you buy your next super-duper spec-ed smartphone from SE just be aware of this fact that SE is trying to wear too big a hat.
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Posted: 2008-03-04 04:39:48
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in fact, SE can make a superduper highend phone, look at 6 years ago, nokias comunicator n9210i cant compete with this device, all factor has been beaten by p800 except qwerty keyboard.
Your comment was only based on this 2years which SE totally fail with their highclass phone started by P990.
Xperia must be launched this year im sure cause many people want it badly
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Posted: 2008-03-04 04:56:00
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Yes, the p800 was an advanced phone for its time but I think many have forgetten that the P800 was also a bug-ridden phone (like the P990
) on release and many problems remained unresolved before it got replaced by the p900
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2008-03-04 08:15 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-04 09:14:05
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really mib?
ive got a p800 here i use occassionally for calls mainly. and i highly doubt if has the latest firmware for it,..... its actually quite fast and stable
but boy do i not like being seen with something so old
sorry for off topic!
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Posted: 2008-03-04 09:40:11
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@Bambino
I think you will find that the 9500 was a Nokia Flagship device not sure just how many years ago that was now though and your point is? As again two wrongs don't make a right where have i defended Nokia's faults no where is the answer i don't deny they exist or say that Nokia are perfect either.
I have never claimed anywhere that any manufacturer is perfect far from it in fact if you had read all my post's you would know that i think the trend of releasing any of these devcies when they are not ready and need a new firmware virtually straight after release is wrong. I also think it should stop but unfortunately until us as consumers stop accepting this as being OK and return these devcies until they are fit to be released it is very unlikely to stop as if the manufacturers can get our money and fix the problems later this is of course good for them just not so good for us.
As for i don't praise SE's really are sure? as yet again you are wrong look at the T650 thread for proof and i have also praised the K800 after the initial EROM problem as being a great if not the best Camera phone so on this you are quite clearly wrong.
The very simple reason i don't buy a SE Flagship smart phone is please show me one that has HSDPA you can't so just why should i buy any just to get an SE badge i don't think that makes any sense for a expensive piece of equipment do you?. But currently there is nothing in the way that SE treats it's users that makes me want to be an SE customer. As when they release a smart phone you can't be sure or trust SE that they will deliver what they say on thier website or in the White paper as when they fail to deliver what they say they just remove the feature from the White paper and the website specifications SE a company you can't trust to deliver is not one i want to give my money to.
What Makbil was pointing out if you don't cherry pick is that even though Nokia devcies may have problems they continue to receive new firmware and with it even new features, which is something SE doesn't do it doesn't add new features.
Now as for me being naive that may well be your opinion but is very far from the truth and as for me being dishonest please either support this absurd claim or retract it if your man enough to.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-03-04 15:41 ]
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Posted: 2008-03-04 09:44:52
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@doggman
After your long eplanation it, i still cannot get your points, your explanation is cirling around. It seems you want to proof you are as neutral as you can.
Actualy theres alot i want to clear about your opinion. But i dont to talk about this anymore, it will be exhausting for me. Anyway please look at your past posts from others point of view.
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Posted: 2008-03-04 10:14:00
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On 2008-03-04 03:42:00, Bambino wrote:
...Well how about because we are discussing SE so what relevance does what any other manufacturer do or not, simple answer it doesn't as we are discussing SE's problems for that you need a Nokia thread.
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Actually this is not purely an SE thread. It does deal mainly with the P990 disaster, therefore SE, but it's unavoidable to compare SE to its main competitors. This is how free market and competition work, you pit the players against each other, then you compare and choose the better product. The companies on the other hand try to build the better product and try to sell it to you. These companies need to be reminded of this fact, if they specify their product has a certain capability, well it better have. Otherwise it should be able to bite them in the @ss for lying to their customers.
As someone has already mentioned, only if SE had not taken this arrogant (and rude in my opinion) stand and acknowledged the problem, things would have subsided by now. It's the "we
scr@wed you over so what, get over it" attitude that keeps emotions alive.
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Posted: 2008-03-04 10:31:46
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On 2008-03-04 04:39:48, mib1800 wrote:
SE knew P990 is a debacle and that's why they took the consious decision to abandon it instead of pumping in more money to salvage it. I sympathise with those who bought P990 but nobody puts a gun to your head. All the signs were there that the P990 was in trouble before even it went on sales but still went out and bought it despite of this.
I beg to differ. SE had an excellent P900 example behind it and the delays with the P990 could be interpreted as perfecting the phone before launch. No one could have known the sorry state the P990 was in until they bought it and used it.
One lesson that can be learn from this (which some SE fans are oblivious to) is that SE does not have the capability yet to deliver advance spec-ed phone...
Events show this to be true. Ever since the P990 I made it a point to follow new SE devices and almost every single one of them are loaded with bugs and serious problems.
So before you buy your next super-duper spec-ed smartphone from SE just be aware of this fact that SE is trying to wear too big a hat.
Not going to happen in the near future. SE seriously needs to prove itself in a variety of ways before I will consider SE again.
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Posted: 2008-03-04 10:40:39
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@Bambino
I take it from your response then that you accept that i do actually praise SE when i think they deserve it and that i am not dishonest as you have failed to prove i am or had the decency to apologise for that false accusation no surprises there then. Yet another person happy to accuse me of things and then unable to prove them true.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-03-04 09:58 ]
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