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hihihans Posts: > 500

@ Carkitter, if you put it that way SE should name it

Aino.
K Satio.
F Yari.
Entertainment [u]Unlimited/u]

[ This Message was edited by: hihihans on 2009-10-23 22:56 ]

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Posted: 2009-10-23 23:55:33
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jmcomms Posts: > 500

@carkitter has nailed it - and I reckon the Aino should do very well because everyone who has seen mine has been wowed - and these are people you wouldn't necessarily think were into feature packed handsets.

It's like a normal mobile phone (okay, with a taller screen) and the touch functions are also impressing people, and they're not even concerned about the fact it only supports touch in the media/phone closed mode.

It doesn't have every trick in the book, but it looks simple and understandable to people who aren't into smartphones (or what they perceive to be smartphones, therefore complicated, by its look and feel). It is fast - although I've also noticed odd pausing, which will hopefully be fixed in a firmware update - the screen is bright and clear and it's simple to use.

However, it does have many drawbacks like the lack of a 3.5mm headphone jack, a less than brilliant internal speaker that will presumably be fixed for the follow up to the Aino next year. I can only assume the Aino is based on an older platform. As mentioned, the screen has been in use in Japan for many years.

It's odd how SE kept saying the bigger, big screen, devices in Japan wouldn't sell here. How dumb was SE for not realising that we are watching movies on our phones, looking at YouTube, using iPlayer etc - or simply looking at web pages - making that larger screen than SE could have used at any time just as important here as anywhere else.

Time and time again, SE has resisted bringing Japanese designed models here and they've nearly always been huge hits when they did.
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Posted: 2009-10-24 00:17:37
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mode Posts: > 500

On 2009-10-23 23:46:23, carkitter wrote:

Like it or not, the market for the traditional high-spec 'Swiss Army Knife' do-everything feature phone controlled by increasing numbers of dedicated buttons is not just falling, it is falling at an alarming rate. Relatively low-spec, task-specific devices like the iPhone and various Blackberrys and the Palm Pre are the one's selling out.

I thought that's exactly the point for Entertainment Unlimited, a sort of multimedia convergence, I'd say imaging falls nicely in this category too, that's why it's only accessible through touch. In fact, AFAIK it was spawned by the idea that you wouldn't have to choose anymore between Cybershot or Walkman ie Media. You're talking about it as being more of a playback phone but if this is true, why is there no DivX or AVI video playback when it's supposed to be a monster in this department, why do we have to take the trouble to convert everything? And now, the camera features. If that's supposed to be its strength then half baked offerings is truly inapporpriate to the spirit of the phone. I've learnt to accept Aino's specs even before it came out(or I'd be looking elsewhere long ago) and have always been more concerned about its performance rather, but unfortunately the lack of camera options (and Clear Bass...or is it Megabass?) is a deal breaker for me. I'm not saying they should have these features because it's what I want, but what if there are a million other potential customers just like me, that wouldn't be good for my favourite brand and I'm concerned.

[ This Message was edited by: mode on 2009-10-24 00:57 ]

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Posted: 2009-10-24 01:36:18
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masseur Posts: > 500

hmmm. I can see carkitters point of view though in general I think do-it-all devices are definitely the way of the future

iphone succeeds currently due to the app store even when the hardware doesn't neccessariliy live up to the potential of the software

...and that is pretty much my point with do-it-all devices... the manufacturers seem to be purposely limiting advancement in order to maximise profit. I mean what point is there in providing hardware now that can do everything when the manufacturers can upgrade the hardware piecemeal style to maximise profits and eventually still realise the same goal?

This has been my thoughts for the last half of this decade and I do feel we should be achieving what sci-fi might have predicted for this time period if it was not for the business aspect of advancing technology at a pace that is profitable

at least now SE are not separating walkman from cybershot (at least not as they originally did), and that is certainly one step forward towards real convergence
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Posted: 2009-10-24 01:58:41
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Mano82 Posts: 432

Aino got 6 in Test on a norwegian site

Translation in english:
http://translate.google.com/t[....]47&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0=

Original: http://mobilen.no/wip4/review[....]y-ericsson-aino/d.epl?id=41147
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Posted: 2009-10-24 18:02:15
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carkitter Posts: > 500

6 out of what?
I couldn't see a number rating on the translated version of that site besides,they gave it high marks in all areas especially overall impression.

On 2009-10-24 01:58:41, masseur wrote:
...and that is pretty much my point with do-it-all devices... the manufacturers seem to be purposely limiting advancement in order to maximise profit. I mean what point is there in providing hardware now that can do everything when the manufacturers can upgrade the hardware piecemeal style to maximise profits and eventually still realise the same goal?

This has been my thoughts for the last half of this decade and I do feel we should be achieving what sci-fi might have predicted for this time period if it was not for the business aspect of advancing technology at a pace that is profitable...

Wasn't video calling the ultimate in sci-fi phone features? I was eagerly awaiting it, then when it arrived it was too expensive and by the time it became cheaper, nobody cared.

It is a common thing in technology that products get dumbed-down (for want of a better term). Cameras used to require a degree of skill to use, now they're point & shoot. Sports cars used to be challenging and intimidating, now they have tiptronic gears, ABS brakes, traction control, launch control and Sat Nav. I used to enjoy programming my Sinclair Spectrum in Basic (showing my age

) now we all use a GUI. Mobile phones are no different.

Sony and Nokia have for years now been trying to get people creating media on their phone and uploading it.

allows you to blog from your phone but who actually does? Market research has found that forums like Esato and sites like Twitter are mainly entertainment value - watched anonymously by many but participated in by few, just like You-tube. Combine that passive audience with an online music & app shop plus an innovative gadget and you have Apple's inspired recipe for success.

If

and Nokia think that the 'active' audience will keep them afloat financially then they are in for a big shock. Do-everything has changed from a hardware definition to a software application definition and phones like Aino are the future of the mid-range from here on in. The relatively-low spec iPhone looks full-featured when you look from a software application point of view and as such is the new high-end.

Took me a lot of getting used to personally...

[ This Message was edited by: carkitter on 2009-10-25 01:19 ]

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Posted: 2009-10-25 02:27:58
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Mano82 Posts: 432

On 2009-10-25 02:27:58, carkitter wrote:
6 out of what?
I couldn't see a number rating on the translated version of that site besides,they gave it high marks in all areas especially overall impression.

6 out of 6