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Posted: 2007-03-02 20:35:30
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On 2007-03-01 18:13:21, Dogmann wrote:
@mib1800
Great posts and obviously i agree with your objective analysis, but i really wouldn't bother debating with people that can no longer see the Wood for the trees it is pointless.
Dogman, unlike you, MIB doesn't chuck a wobbly when people disagree with him
He unlike you is prepared to answer point for point rather than just put people's statements down with no explanation, which is what I see you do often.
Most of us here love to argue with MIB, but we have a healthy respect for him because he is prepared to stick around and discuss his reasons, rather than bugging out when someone objects to what he says.
@mib, I meant the 6680 and similar about the K750 video comparison, just got mixed up when typing, as one does! You are correct and I am certainly aware that N series all have cif or better. Infact in one of my other posts I did mention it.
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Posted: 2007-03-03 11:41:17
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@ max_wedge
Sorry but you appear to be more than a little confused just now, it is the exact opposite of what you state. I don't duck out from anything ,question or point it is no body that answers my questions or points that is makeing this pointless. Which is why i constantly need to repeat myself to attempt to get a straight answer all the deflection is done by others by trying to state S60 problems which are not even relevant to these discussions.
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Posted: 2007-03-03 17:02:33
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chamaktry reading these reviews....u'll know what i mean:
Let me tell you a story:
Review is done by someone. And that someone must adher to his boss's wishes. And the boss dare not anger its supporters/advertisers whom provide the "juice" so that the boss can remain a boss and the someone can continue to churn out review.
Let me tell you another story:
What kind of business do you think the S part of SE do other than consumer electronics? If you dont know then just ask anyone off the street. The S part of SE also own something called S Picture. It has happened that this entity created its own fictitious reviewers to give blushingly excellent review to its products (you know those that you pay money to see in a dark room). These "blushing" reviews obviously got picked up by everyone else. Why is it picked up by everyone? Who wouldnt when the source is one of the biggest media/entertainment empire in world!!!. And suddenly a seemingly crap product was labelled by everyone as the "next best thing that ever happened"
Who would your rather put your trust in? People like you and me (i.e public) or "those other people".
Now u MAY prefer over saturated, blurred(noise-reduction) then sharpened alien-like pictures, but i like my gf's marron lipstic as it was, not turned into blood-redded dracula color.....but of-course it's personal preference....
It is not "I prefer". Dont you know what a survey mean?? maybe not. Let me explain. It is an indication of what everyone prefers!!!
btw: Correction: K800 photos is blurrer than N73. Go see for yourself. The washed out color of K800 photo is also not natural. (remind me of those color in the old celluloid movies of yesteryear).
goldenface:
We all know you don't get it.
chamak:
@goldenface
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Your tag team routine just make you guys look desperately "gasping for words"
dragoneye cough cough n80, n80ie.. lol after 15 billion firmware updates battery still sucks...and ram usage is insufficient to surf....
15 billion??
maybe you are here at esato too much that you are oblivious to what is happening to the rest of the world. fyi, N80 initial problems have been fixed after the first firmware update. Surfing the web is no longer problem. As for battery life, it is just a physical limitation with small battery.
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Posted: 2007-03-04 07:36:58
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Let me tell you a story:
Review is done by someone. And that someone must adher to his boss's wishes. And the boss dare not anger its supporters/advertisers whom provide the "juice" so that the boss can remain a boss and the someone can continue to churn out review.
Let me tell you another story:
What kind of business do you think the S part of SE do other than consumer electronics? If you dont know then just ask anyone off the street. The S part of SE also own something called S Picture. It has happened that this entity created its own fictitious reviewers to give blushingly excellent review to its products (you know those that you pay money to see in a dark room). These "blushing" reviews obviously got picked up by everyone else. Why is it picked up by everyone? Who wouldnt when the source is one of the biggest media/entertainment empire in world!!!. And suddenly a seemingly crap product was labelled by everyone as the "next best thing that ever happened"
Who would your rather put your trust in? People like you and me (i.e public) or "those other people".
Now u MAY prefer over saturated, blurred(noise-reduction) then sharpened alien-like pictures, but i like my gf's marron lipstic as it was, not turned into blood-redded dracula color.....but of-course it's personal preference....
It is not "I prefer". Dont you know what a survey mean?? maybe not. Let me explain. It is an indication of what everyone prefers!!!
btw: Correction: K800 photos is blurrer than N73. Go see for yourself. The washed out color of K800 photo is also not natural. (remind me of those color in the old celluloid movies of yesteryear).
So you prefer Mobile-review.com then ?
let me quote their OWN opinion
From Mobile-review.com:
http://mobile-review.com/review/nokia-n73-cam-en.shtml
When compared with Sony Ericsson K800i, which is a acknowledged favorite among users and journalists, it can be said that products are equivalent.
K800i has more natural color rendering, more convenient interface (this is v2), bigger set of functions (such as BestPic, other modes, shortcuts during shooting). Details look better on Sony Ericsson K800i in most cases. But in terms of picture vividness, its perception on display and PC, as well as printed photos, Nokia N73 is better.
This is acquired by algorithms of picture processing and not optics in any case. Considering fact that most users take picture of themselves and do not make any further modifications, we can say that Nokia’s product gives better photos. You can get same quality shots, or even slightly better ones in case with Sony Ericsson K800i and some additional work in graphic editor. But there is no much sense in this approach. This is why we’re saying that Nokia N73 allows you to get better photos, and this is proven by users as we had done polls.
Sony Ericsson K800i has functionally more saturated possibilities that will allow you making great shots in manual mode, but this advantage is not so big (one of modes – which is taking photos of documents). Interface solution from Sony Ericsson belongs to second generation (meanwhile this is very first type of Cyber Shot), at same this time this is still 1g from Nokia. Camera working speed is a great advantage for Sony Ericsson K800i, and strongest shortcoming of Nokia’s product. Reportage filming is nearly impossible with this handset.
We’d like to repeat ourselves and say that comparing picture quality between Nokia N73 and Sony Ericsson K800i – is clearly matter of taste (color gamma), and
it is hard to differentiate handsets. In the end these products are equivalent, if you don’t take interface and operating speed into consideration.
I think you can read so i'll make no further comment. I just want to add another matter, what u said about reviews..i agree with that, but 'bout phone arena site, i don't. Try reading this review
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sony-Ericsson-P990-Smartphone-Review-review-r_1587.html after reading this review i thought they're nokia-biased
.... and you're starting to question Gsm-arena too ? Where i've read the most bogus review about N73 ? funny!
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Posted: 2007-03-04 10:53:08
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I own a p910i and will skip the p990i because I feel it's bit of a letdown for me. I never experienced problems with the os in the p910i and it puzzles me why certain people bash uiq3 when it's in its infancy. I'd rather wait till year end then comment when we see what SE has done with it. At this stage it is pointless IMO.
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Posted: 2007-03-04 12:55:00
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On 2007-03-03 17:02:33, Dogmann wrote:
@ max_wedge
Sorry but you appear to be more than a little confused just now, it is the exact opposite of what you state. I don't duck out from anything ,question or point it is no body that answers my questions or points that is makeing this pointless. Which is why i constantly need to repeat myself to attempt to get a straight answer all the deflection is done by others by trying to state S60 problems which are not even relevant to these discussions.
Marc
Take a look at yourself dogman:
Insults against other forum members:
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What absolute rubbish how can you even say such things do you really think people are blind and can' read? "
"This thread is are SE killing UIQ try and keep on topic
i know its hard for you but please do try."
That's just a few. BTW, In the very first post to this thread, nicksefan mentioned Nokia as defence of his case that SE is killing UIQ. So Nokia has been referenced right from the start of this thread and it is definitely "on topic" to talk about s60.
Then you said you were gonna bug out because you didn't like what people had to say, and I quote: "Unfortunatley from the tone of he rest of the points raised i will now say goodbye. "
Don't say it was because of the tone, your tone is far worse, if you care to look back over your posts and see how you talk to people. Most other people give reasons for their statements, which you shoot down with insults not facts.
Then you say the following, thereby completely dissing the intelligence of anyone who prefers a touchscreen:
""Have you heard the one about the man that gives up on his P990 and when advised to get an E90 exclaims But no touchscreen only to be told don't worry about it you won't need one."
That statement certainly is a joke.
Firstly, YOU CANNOT TYPE ON SMALL QWERTY KEYBOARDS. To say you can is the joke. I don't even use the virtual keyboard of a TS device anyway, it's impossible to write quickly on it. Letter Recognition is the name of the writing game on TS, something that simply can't happen on a hardscreen phone.
Secondly, a TS is about far more than just a keyboard. You can navigate a phone interface more efficiently and perform complex operations that are simply not possible on a hardscreen.
Regardless of the time it took P990 to market and initial firmware problems, it is now competent smartphone/pda with WIFI, 3G, TS AND QWERTY. In any man's language, whether we compare against Nokia or not, this is a high end phone, and the experience SE have gained from getting P990 to market and sorting firmware, will only mean future UIQ phones are better than ever.
So in answer to the thread title, NO, SE ARE NOT KILLING UIQ.
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Posted: 2007-03-05 02:08:00
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chamak
So you prefer Mobile-review.com then ?
let me quote their OWN opinion
What the heck are you talking about? I am refering to the
SURVEY that M-R did. The result of the survey is not about opinion of the reviewer or his review!!!.
I just want to add another matter, what u said about reviews..i agree with that, but 'bout phone arena site, i don't.
That's the nature of review. It is an opinion of an indivdual. You may disagree but that doesnt make him wrong or make you right or vice versa.
and you're starting to question Gsm-arena too
Nope. I am only questioning YOU!!!.
Arent you the one who categorically pro-claimed that the K800 is THE best in photo. I bet you come to this conjecture by reading only those reviews that are compatible with your claim.
There are many varied opinions. If you take a look further, infosyncworld.com ranked N73 the best (and above K800) in cameraphone category. I think phonearena did a photo comparo and D900 came out on top, K800 second and N73 third.
On the whole, I think K800 and N73 cameras are ranked among the best. They may have strong points in different areas but on the average they can be considered as equal. I just dont agree with your (and most other SE fanboys) assertion that K800 is the best using such filmsy proof as certain reviewers opinions.
This is the last I have to say about this since it is off-topic
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Posted: 2007-03-05 04:22:05
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max_wedge:
TS is about far more than just a keyboard. You can navigate a phone interface more efficiently and perform complex operations that are simply not possible on a hardscreen.
You are missing our point again. Yes, TS is far more than keyboard BUT a keyboard is also far more than a TS. It goes both way.
You may be able to navigate faster but you cannot set one-press "hotkey" with TS. For people who are good at T9, it is not surprising that they can type faster than you can write using TS. Of course not to mention TS cannot be used one-handed all the time and the fragility.
On the whole I still think a keyboard is more essential. Yes, p990 has best of both world but unfortunately its bad reputation preceeds it. SE really muck up here. Like the saying goes, "once bitten twice shy". So whether UIQ3 survives depend on whether SE can win back the buyers' confidence. This would be harder to do than building the next generation of UIQ3 phones.
Regardless of the time it took P990 to market and initial firmware problems, it is now competent smartphone/pda with WIFI, 3G, TS AND QWERTY
Competent but not competitive. If TS is preferred, they are many WM available that beats the P990 in price and functions. If TS is not an absolute requirement, then there are many S60/BB/Palm which are much better also.
P990 may be the ultimate device 2years ago but now it is nothing to shout about. (Some SE fans seems to be stuck in a time bubble and still think the p990 is the still the ultimate device).
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Posted: 2007-03-05 04:49:57
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mib, thanks for your great reply, atleast you bother to debate with me, thank you.
Re: "t9 faster than you can type", I assure you that while those who are very good at T9 can type faster than I can on a TS, the average T9 user is much slower. The point is that any user who wants to type fast, needs to do a lot of practice on their choice of medium to be good. If you are trying to compare a "normal" TS user against an advanced T9 user, not fair. I can type faster on TS (using letter recognition) than I T9, and I have a fair bit of experience with both.
About fragility, you are seriously misguided here: sure it's not "as tough" as a hardscreen, but TS screens are certainly not fragile. You are thinking of the days when a TS was just a big LCD with no hard cover!
Regarding WM having better value/better tech TS alternatives than P990, I don't disagree. Since I use a K series phone as my general use handset, I only have to choose between SE UI and WM UI for my pda use - that's an easier choice and I settled for an XDA mini I scored for free (even easier decision!).
I actually agree with you about your post about equivalence of K800/N73! Technically speaking there really isn't much between K800 and N73 cameras (leaving aside video!).
But as always, the thing that let's me down about Nokia (though I accept it's only my own preferences) is their sense of what is a good interface. I just don't like their philosophy, and the camera suffers from this as well as the UI IMHO.
I find SE phones and cameras much more of a joy to use than Nokia. I've been using phones since well before SE or even GSM (I started on Analog phones), so I don't have issues adapting to new UI's. But Nokia's I just end up getting irritated with!
Again, no judgement, it's just personal preference, but I also reckon many SE fans are like me and just like SE because they prefer the way you get things done in that interface. At the end of the day Nokia and SE make some great phones. Unless you need some particular feature that one or the other doesn't have, the only real differences are in the UI's.
WHICH brings us back on topic; if SE users often choose SE because they prefer the SE UI methodology, then they are sure to be interested in UIQ3 smartphones over Nokia s60 (including hardscreen phones when SE get around to it), and the future of UIQ will be assured!
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