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Sure we tend to focus on the bad things that US is doing.
But your arguments doesn't get very far by saying that US saved millions of lives by dropping two atom bombs on civilian people during WWII.. where's the reason in that?!
And by the way, the atombombs wasn't the reason WWII ended, it was already clear that it would end soon, US were in control, not the japs.. and it was very clear the the end of the war was near.
Though US had to try out their new invention.. not only once, but twice!
And you say this saved millions of lives!?
Maybe you've missed one thing, people are still dying cause of those bombs!
Yes, we tend to focus on the bad things, like US invading Iraq today.
But tell me, just because US did something good 400 years ago (has it even existed that long?!), does that give them the right to invade other countries today?
Just because US helped europe against Hitler, does that give them the right do act out unhumanitarian deeds today?
Should we stop focusing on all the bad things US is doing and focus on what US has done in the past instead?
Tell me.. if a massmurderer buys some ice cream to some kids, does this give him the right to murder them and others later on?
We wouldn't really have a working community if we focus on the past would we?
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Posted: 2003-03-27 09:49:00
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On 2003-03-27 09:09, d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z wrote:
The usa used nukes on japan to stop world war 2 and avoid milloins of lives lost. if they did not use it then the war would have gone for 5 years
Man you know that usa nukes on japan to win that war...
and why Thousands of japanes civilians have to lost their life by that crule way ??? they have to do nothing in that war cuz they are CIVILIANS and they are not SOLDIERS !!!!
Or maybe they were soldiers in civilians uniform as it now in iraq
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Did u belive that Stupid funny joke......the usa said that so they have a good reasone to kill more iraqe civilians....
also u said : " and avoid milloins of lives lost " !!!!....
ok let me write it again in the correct way
"and avoid milloins of AMERICANS lives lost" !!!!!..... so thats why the JAPANES CIVILIANS have to pay their life for that !!!!...
What you will feel if you all your family and your friends were killed with a NUCLEAR BOMB ??? and after that someone told you that we did that to avoid our poeple from loseing their lives !!!!
Well u accsept that ????
i dont think so that anyone accsept that ......
and if u dont accsept that for your self why you accsept that for japanes ???
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Posted: 2003-03-27 09:59:00
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actually, the situation with the atom bomb in japan is interesting. after the defeat of nazi germany, the big three (roosevelt, churchill, and stalin) met in pottsdam i beleive to discuss post-war germany and the war with japan.
it was decided that russia would take care of japan. roosevelt was not president, and truman decided that this was not good, since the japanese had a very good industry and would help out soviet russia greatly. so the us rushed in there and claimed japan for itself. japan is a slave to the us still today (they are also along with the us for the iraq war).
also, i find it ironic that the us is going into iraq to "liberate the people" and "bring democracy", when the united nations democratically voted not to invade iraq. well as we have learned, the us only likes democracy when it benefits from it. that is why che guevara was eliminated even though his people wanted him in power. that is why vietname was invaded when viatnamese wanted communism. why us wanted shahs to be in power in the middle east rather than communist governments that might be on good terms with the soviet union.
coming from yugoslavia, which the us bombed during kosovo, i know how the iraqi people feel and how it is when someone forces themselves on you ON YOUR OWN LAND! the situation in kosovo went like this, and don't tell me otherwise because i lived there! california is a us state and has been for many years. same with kosovo being a part of serbia for hundreds of years. now picture many immigrants from mexico coming to california and eventually they outnumber americans 10 to 1. this is same with ethnical albanians in kosovo. now the mexicans say, "you know we like this california and there is so many of us here, we want to make it out own country" and they form the CLA (california liberation amry) and try to take it by force. so the us steps in to defend its land, and russia comes along and says "you can't kill those mexicans, that's ethnic cleansing, its genocide" and bombs the us and sends in "peacekeepers" to california. same shit in kosovo only substitute serbia with the us, albania and albanians with the mexicans, and the us with russia.
now guess what is in kosovo? us military bases! easier access to russia and to middle east.
it makes me sick and i know one day the us will fall just like roman empire, and i want to be alive to see that day, to see the world liberated from a tyrant.
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Posted: 2003-03-27 10:30:00
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Surely this is an endless discussion :-( ... i guess that almost all here (except some americans) agree that war is a stupid way to resolve argues
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Posted: 2003-03-27 11:01:00
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@ SCORPIONKING1982
Agree 100% with your post.
@ ElGato
Stuff you see on TV about the Iraqi people all not wanting to be free from the dictatorship and loving Saddam is a bit one sided. Anyway the average Iraqi citizen that this war is trying to liberate is too scared to speak out about Saddam for fear of being killed for their opinion.
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Posted: 2003-03-27 16:34:00
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ok let me write it again in the correct way
"and avoid milloins of AMERICANS lives lost" !!!!!..... so thats why the JAPANES CIVILIANS have to pay their life for that !!!!...
This comment really does not deserve a response but I’m going to anyway.
The reality is yes more American lives would have been lost, But an enormous amount of Japanese men would have lost their lives too. The statement "millions of lives saved" does not only apply to Americans, to say that is just wrong. It applied to both sides of that conflict. The emperor of Japan said that he would never surrender, so what’s better, drop two bombs that would force him to surrender. Or end up killing most of the Japanese males if not all of them. We've seen desperate dictators put guns in children’s hands before.
Don’t mistake what I’m saying I still reaffirm that any life lost is horrible and I certainly am not for "nuking" the world.
But what you people so easily forget is that after every war the United States helps rebuild the country they just beat the hell out of. If we are as evil as you people claim we are then why would we do that? Why? No one could make us rebuild those countries. But we do. After Japan surrendered we sent medical personnel and engineers to help them rebuild. We do this because that’s who we are. If you don’t believe any of this, well... then go to a library and read about it.
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Posted: 2003-03-27 17:46:00
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i can't believe this guy!!!
nothing justifies genocide...!
nothing! it's the worse of the worst crimes ever conceived... what are u thinking! there is no reason to justifie it... it's unconcievable how u try to soften it...
THEY ALL DIED... ALL OF THEM. the guy that dropped it said: "what have we done!"... they cried... because they helped commiting THE WORST CRIME IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND... can't u see that...
can't u immagine what it would be like if it happened the other way around?
if the japanese did that to the USA? do u believe that could be softened, then?
i sure hope there aren't many people like u in the planet. otherwise everybody is going to get screwed real fast... but i bet it will be 4 a good reason, right?
i mean, the way u'r brain works, you wouldn't mind dying if it was 4 a good reason, right?... like the japanese died.
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Posted: 2003-03-27 18:36:00
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@cyanx
You're deliberately misinterpreting what's been said. If you read scuba steve's post, you will see that what he says is factually correct. Nobody in their right thinks what's happening is ideal, but some people accept that it's necessary in the best interests of us all, me included.
The whole argument is that whatever you think of what Bush et al are doing, Saddam could and would do a whole lot worse given the 'time' that some European muppets want to give him. 12 years is plenty in my view!
So please, understand that those that are pro-war are not pro-genocide, pro-racism or pro-world-domination. It is merely the belief that this IS the lesser of 2 evils.
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Posted: 2003-03-27 19:07:00
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i understand what u are saying, dave. but i was only questioning the last post scuba_steve wrote... i'm not referring to iraqi present issues...
he's justifying the nukes in WWII 4 god's sake!
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Posted: 2003-03-27 20:22:00
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I am not even gonna reply to this posts like i used to, but i will surely try to make a point by those humanitarian goods that are sent to IRAQ.
I have a question for all of you!!! What if i came to your cities with a huge truck full of beer or girls or food, or P800's or what ever, and said well guys this is free and you vcan all have it... Dont you think you will be jumping on my HUGE truck to get the FREE goodies???
Well this looks like exactly what is happening to the civilians in iraq...
So who is gonna proove me wrong???
Dont forget one thing, there are poor countries and wouldnt mind free stuff, and would be happy if you give away free food,etc... so dont tell me they support the US(irak's population), just like we see those poor people happy to get what the americains are giving them...I am definitely not saying that the US is doing the wrong thing by sending food. just to make it clear...
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Posted: 2003-03-27 20:43:00
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