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@max_wedge


you are claiming

"Insults against other forum members:
"What absolute rubbish how can you even say such things do you really think people are blind and can't read? "

This is in response to Ares claiming their are more pages and threads with people complaining against Nokia phones then thier is the P990 and you know what it is absolute Rubbish. Ares has not proved or even backed up his claim, i did by pointing to 3-4 different forums as usual No Answer.

"This thread is are SE killing UIQ try and keep on topic i know its hard for you but please do try."


Now if you are completely devoid of humour that's not my fault and if in your World that is really insulting all i can say is you have lead a very sheltered life.

Again my next joke/story proves you have no sense of humour and as for your answer
"That statement certainly is a joke. Firstly, YOU CANNOT TYPE ON SMALL QWERTY KEYBOARDS"

So please tell me why is such a big deal made of the P990 keyboard as that is not large is it?
Yet Ares claims to type so fast his friends can't believe it is from his P990.
This is also referring to the E90 and i wouldn't say that is small qwerty keyboard either and it is considerably larger than the P990's.

So which one of you is right then?

Again this your second point

"Secondly, a TS is about far more than just a keyboard. You can navigate a phone interface more efficiently and perform complex operations that are simply not possible on a hard screen."

This is only your opinion and that of your fellow Touchscreen users myself and Millions of non touchscreen users would disagree with you on this.
Again there is no right or wrong choice only what the user prefers or needs.

I have 6 apps on my main screen all defined by me two quick touch shortcuts a Multimedia key that opens another 4 apps, another button that takes me with a short press to all my folders and with a long press into my 3rd Party Task Manger app. By the time you have your Stylus out or clicked your scroll wheel my app is open and running and being used. How many shortcuts do you have that you can configure? plus of course a fixed non configurable Internet Key. You need to be able to support the claims you make just because it is your opinion or view isn't sufficient.

As for your last statement of

"Regardless of the time it took P990 to market and initial firmware problems, it is now competent smart phone/pda with WIFI, 3G, TS AND QWERTY. In any man's language, whether we compare against Nokia or not, this is a high end phone, and the experience SE have gained from getting P990 to market and sorting firmware, will only mean future UIQ phones are better than ever.


Initial firmware problems 6 months to you is initial? Sorry to tell you but is was ground breaking when announced and outdated by launch. A high end phone that within 6 months of launch is selling for £200-£240 having lost nearly half it's value i find that an interesting concept. Your very last point does make sense and hopefully SE will make sure there next tranche of UIQ devices do deliver when released and not 6 months after as if not there really will hardly be any customers left.

So what exactly have i ducked now and not answered and who and how have i insulted anyone, Go on Max back up your claims now.

Marc

PS although i had said i wasn't going to bother to respond here any further, if you single me out by name and attack me of course i will respond.

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-03-05 05:05 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-03-05 16:38 ]
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Posted: 2007-03-05 05:21:37
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I hate to say it but there are 10phones with s60 coming and only one with uiq3.1 and that's from motorola

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Posted: 2007-03-05 11:57:57
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Dogman, we are getting somewhere. That's all I ask, what you are doing now, though your tones seems rather insulting. But I can take a joke, sure.

I think you'll find I am not some quaint minority when it comes to TS use. Please don't lump the majority of TS users into the same TS patterns of use of a NON-TS user such as yourself.

As to what Ares says, he is just one person. Personally I accept the criticisms of P990 generally speaking, but I simply don't agree with your analysis about how bad it is.

P990 was bought out when UIQ3 still was not ideal, but it was to late to replace the P910 with a UIQ2 model, and realistically to early for UIQ3. UIQ2 didn't support some of the planned tech very well, yet UIQ3 was unpolished. So P990 was really just a test bed. I know people complain about this, but I don't think it was intentional, I just think SE bit off more than they could chew at the time (UIQ being so new). So YES it was VERY late to market, AND it had lot's of problems. I'm not denying that. But if you run around screaming how bad SE are, and using P990 as proof that UIQ is dead, then you have missed the point. P990 is only ONE PHONE. It may have been a failure on many levels, but it is now stable and represents experience that SE now have with UIQ3 that will help them bring out kick arse new UIQ3 phones.

So you can paint it as black as you like, but I still see the positive side of it. I think the P990 is a top little phone, that while many WM devices best it, still nevertheless has a lot of class and gumption.



Well I have way more than 6 apps that I want quick access to. And btw, you non-TS users always make the same mistake of believing the myths of TS phones. You most certainly do not need the stylus to operate a touchscreen phone. That is a big myth. Once you get used to it it's just a matter of using your fingers. Fixed internet button hahahahaaha I spend hours getting rid of proprietary branding! Anyway, I have 4 configurable buttons on my xda mini. I also have a 6 position shortcut menu and 5 position recently used programs list, any item of which is accesible with two finger taps on the screen. There is a volume button and call and end buttons. The xda menu can be solely operated with the five way d pad if desired.


You forget that the P990 nor UIQ generally is not SE's main market. They are experiencing many advances with their non-UIQ handsets. If Nokia was stuffing up s60 like the P990 experience, then sure, Nokia would be fooked But UIQ3 is not a central plank in SE's plans. It is a side strategy that if successful, will become a big money earner. For now they don't rely on the P990 to pay for itself; just to hold the market position long enough to get a UIQ3 really right.


It's your tone that is insulting. Maybe you think it's a joke, but it comes off as if you are calling people stupid. Just have a look back and think about it. If you don't agree that's fine, but don't blame me if people react hostile. Personally I can take a joke, so I'm happy to look at it that way if that's the way you mean it.

I'm not attacking you, I'm questioning you. And I appreciate the response, I really do, thank you. I just thought you threatening to leave at all was a bit childish, just because people won't agree with you. But since you are prepared to answer me, I retract that statement.
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Posted: 2007-03-06 09:19:54
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You can hardly compare s60 directly to UIQ3. This is why the TS issue keeps coming up. Most people consider a TS "must have" for a fully fledged PDA phone, and this is something that Nokia don't even offer.

1. Nokia and SE OS strategies are completely different. Nokia relies on symbian for all it's multimedia phones, where as SE see's it's existing non-smart UI as capable enough to support decent multimedia phones.

2. SE has a commitment to PDA phones, Nokia doesn't. This is something that s60 supporters can't seem to get. Yes the E series are a good effort, but a button based qwerty keyboard does not replace a TS. It can supplement it (as in P990) but not replace.

Two completely different strategies.
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Posted: 2007-03-06 09:28:50
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@max_wedge

Top post!

@Dogmann

I felt like you were having a go at me earlier on and I happen to agree with some of your points. I think you have been arguing against UIQ and SE for so long that going on the defensive is becoming second nature to you.
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Posted: 2007-03-06 09:31:05
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I think at the moment SE is moving away from UIQ. I wouldn't be surprised if it starts picking up other platforms, i.e. Windows Mobile.
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Posted: 2007-03-06 10:49:23
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Motorola z8 has no ts.

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Posted: 2007-03-06 11:12:10
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Hi all,

OK firstly my apologies to anyone i have offended as i assure you that really has never been my intention.

@Max i thought you were using a P990 so that is why i was talking about access to shortcuts and being able to configure them. If you are using an XDA obviously that point does not apply and is conceded.

@Goldenface again it is not my intention to talk down to or insult anyone as i really do not believe that is what should happen on a civilised Forum.

My post's my seem a bit aggressive and if so i apologise but currently I am in really bad pain that now requires further surgery to my back and heavy meds may mean sometimes my posts do not come over well. I really do not hate SE but do hate how they have behaved and what they have done.


Marc
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Posted: 2007-03-06 11:47:51
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Personally My bet is 4:1 that SE will keep UIQ3, for a couple of reasons:

1. Microsoft and Sony have some bad blood to sort out before they'll partner up on Tech gadgets imho. (Ericsson on it's own won't have the power to force Sony to stop their silly nonsense.)

2. To use s60 will give too much power to Nokia to hobble or restrict SE's flexibility in handset development. A prime example, SE would have to give up the PDA market segment, as s60 still doesn't have TS support and Nokia don't seem interested in giving it.

I'm not entirely convinced, it's certainly possible that SE could start to move away form UIQ, especially if they find that UIQ is a white elephant. Time will tell, but I feel they wouldn't have put as much effort into UIQ3 as they have if they didn't really want it to work. It's had it's problems but they are forging ahead anyway. I reckon that's a good sign for UIQ.
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Posted: 2007-03-06 11:52:02
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Hey man, that explains it! I can relate to that, I get back pain also. It's a real beotch Thanks for listening to me dude, means a heap that you can listen and admit fault. I was a bit quick to jump on you as well, I've had my say, I'll be less of a girl about it now!

Good luck with the surgery.
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Posted: 2007-03-06 12:00:45
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