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That's true. What indices are u looking at talking about "market leadership". Sales volume? Actual production? Profit margin? They just dont rank, u know.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 05:57:18
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i think SE initially planned the K700 to repeat what the T610 did (i.e. constant stream of sales and profit over 2-3 quarters). I think this strategy maybe unravelling because Nokia went into price war. So phone like Nk6230,7610,6600,6260,7200 suddenly becomes much better value for money than K700.
so to face the price war, now the K700 is pitched at level of Nk6230. But Nk6230 has already been relegated by Nokia to lower-mid range. With something like 8 new phones to be announced by Nokia on Monday (some which may go on sale this year), it would sure look like a tough year ahead for SE.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 06:41:53
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@mib1800
I don't think the K700 was designed to do what you suggest, rather it was designed to do what SE do with all their phones, appeal to certain segments of the market, if that generates lots of sales in other areas then all the better.
The four main UK network are set to launch their consumer 3G networks very soon, with the SE V800 being given the lion's share of the praise on Vodafone's network. Nokia apparently aren't looking too good, in comparison, with their offering to Vodafone, certainly according to the reviews I've read.
The next year will see more SE product releases obviously, but with the release of UIQ3 I think we shall be seeing a greater diversity of products, able to compete on a much broader base.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 06:49:07
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@scotsboyuk:
there may be another 2 to 3 Nokia 3G Symbian phones coming in the 4Q 04 and 1Q 05. Think u may see 2 of these announce on Mon. So the situation u mentioned may change very fast.
the fact is V800 does not use a smartphone OS is a disadvantage. in japan the Fujitsu symbian-based 3G phones seems to be doing better than the V800-japan equivalent.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 07:06:46
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@mib1800
Any new announcements from Nokia regarding 3G products will make absolutely no difference to Vodafone range of 3G handsets for the launch of their consumer service.
That the V800 isn't a smartphone makes very little difference at all since smartphones still count for a relatively small percentage of the overall market. Furthermore, most of the 3G products on offer, in Europe at any rate, are non-smartphones; there will be very little in the way of serious competition between 3G smartphones at the present time.
Japan is a completely different market to the rest of the world, that SE, a relatively small manufacturer is able to sell well in Japan across a range of products, when Nokia, the world's largest manufacturer, has almost no presence there, is a testament to SE in my opinion.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 07:17:34
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@scotsboyuk:
currently smartphone may constitute a small fraction of total phones. don't forget that 3G phones share is even smaller.
it doesnt matter whether voda has already announced the 3G phones. If Nokia came out with very capable 3G symbian phones, then voda would hv no choice but to include the phones (otherwise its competitors will).
i think initially 3G would hv more data-centric uses. So a smartphone would appeal much more because of the apps that can be deployed in these 3G phones.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 12:04:45
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@mib1800
Smartphones are still the realm of businessmen on the whole and 3G doesn't yet offer the reliability necessary to tempt large number of them away from 2.5G; I see no major market for 3G smartphones until at least next year.
Any announcements by Nokia regarding new 3G products are still late, that other manufacturers, not just SE, should have brought out more and better 3G handsets than the world's leading manufacturer isn't a good sign for Nokia in my opinion.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 12:41:03
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@scotsboyuk:
i doubt very much the majority who bought a smartphone are businessman. If u just consider smartphone as what the P900 is then maybe it is true. But for the Series60 smartphone, a wide spectrum of customers bought them, not just businessman.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 13:55:23
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@mib1800
You miss my point; in the context of 3G users there isn't much call for smartphones at the moment. 3G is still very much finding its feet and users seem to prefer reliability, good battery performance, practical sizing and styling over smartphone capabilities.
I said smartphones were still aimed at businessmen on the whole, that doesn't mean to say non-business users don't buy smartphones. The 6600 itself was aimed at the business user, one only has to look at the advertising campaign to see that. At the moment 3G really doesn't have the capability to offer the sort of practical smartphone we are used to, battery performance being one of the biggest considerations, not to mention size.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 14:00:23
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As i see in the next future will be hard to say what a smart means. In several years every fones will have multi media gadgets, think we ll call then handsets with fone features. These cam, mp etc things seems to be more important for brands, then a non-manual way to set sms report on p9 for example.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 14:56:16
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